Aging Discomfort?

Em hotep, Ankhhape. Embarassed that I do not have the reference available to provide you - recently misplaced among the volumes of my library. I just finished a short book on Kabbalah by a Jewish American author, wherein he postulated that one can reunite with God (in this case Yahweh) on a physical level, without death. It was not deeply metaphysical, nor did it mention the Sephiroth. Very basic intoductory content, actually.

What I found interesting was his hypothesis that death and rebirth are not necessary to reunite with one's diety. As I read his comments I replaced Yahweh with Aset. I then shifted my thinking "out of the box". Why is death necessary to reunite with Aset? Because someone said so? Because modern religions say death is necessary? We are trained from birth to accept death. Why can't we deny death and rejoin our Mother directly from the physical? Do not we, Her children, have that ability within us? Is anyone in the VF absolutely positive this cannot be done?

You were likely looking for a deeper answer.

Phoenix I don't remember to read in the Asetian Bible that we must die to reunite with Aset, or am I missing something?
I believe they approach the concept of death and rebirth as a form of spiritual evolution and immortality, since we all know that we can't surely learn it all and become masters of our Self in a single lifetime. Death is something irrelevant to fight, since it is something no one can avoid. The real secret is to die... and return. If we gain the power to always return, and to control that cycle, then we are truly immortal and I believe that is the concept of death and rebirth professed by the Asetians, a form of enlightenment, learning and immortality. Am I wrong in this view?

That does not sound at all what Maktub was describing in his comment on Boby Hopping.

Maxxx

Thinking about it futher, you must have been talking about every one that is looking to go into the death recycle that is common teaching among most populations.

Maxxx

I am not sure what this fuss is all about...lol WE DO NOT DIE!!! Our bodies expire and can no longer accomodate us, so we leave them. Sometimes we get forced out of our bodies, but again it has to do with the body no longer being able to function. The only catch in it is most beings inability to remember their previous incornations. Hence, part of the Soul's evolutionary process is to try to remember at least some of it and move forward from that point. There is a Spirit and there is a Soul. The Spirit is what is immortal. The Soul is what is placed into the body and once the body is expired, all the data collected in that lifetime gets downloaded into the Spirit and then the Soul disintergrates, while Spirit move to the other realm to prepare for the next incornation. The Soul (Our Physical Consciousness) is what communicates with our Spirit and through it we learn all that we are meant to learn from our Spirit.

Jon and I were talking, I think, about the iniation process that the rulers of the Egyptians went through to continue the awareness of their memory bank and take it fully with them to the next body.

Then the distinction that there is a difference between that process and the one where most people die and go through the recycle process where, as a general rule, no memory is carried forward from life to life.

Maxx

BTW, I was not aware there was a fuss.

Maxx

It certainly felt like it.. lol It's just interesting that we were having a death discussion on an "immortal" forum... it's sort of an oximoron.

The world is trained to be deathist. Again, it is the ole 80-20 split. The 80 never will and the 20 percent design the minor and major ad campaigns that the 80 percent follow. Whether todays society or centuries past. The same percentage still applies.

Maxx

I disagree that everyone is immortal, though, on the statements that we cannot die and how the Spirit/Soul is eternal.
I believe immortality can be conquered or achieved, but it is not something taken for granted or a fact for all mankind... that is just something that many people (and many faiths) want to believe just so they can sleep better at night.

I certainly agree there 100 per cent, Jon.

To achieve immortality, you certainly have to work at achieving it, it is not given to everyone. And not everyone is even interested in working at anything.

There are all kinds of views on this board,

Maxxx

Diversity of views can be good, since it generates discussion and that can promote knowledge and understanding (or not... ).
But nice that we agree on this. That seems to be a major concept within the Asetian tradition, since they clearly state that naturally the human soul can die, and it does die, if enlightenment and immortality are not achieved. They surely don't take immortality for granted, but see it as a divine trait that can only be reached by the worthy, in a long and hard path of personal evolution, Self-development and initiation. A very distinctive line pushing them away from mainstream religion (and most New Age cults as well), where immortality is accepted as a natural right, for granted, or based on "if you accept something" (like Christ, for example), which is done for the sake of gathering followers (and money!).

If I weren't a medium I could probably consider your theories. However, since my gift of mediumship was discovered in December of 2007 and since I've been successfuly delivering messages to people from their loved ones. I can tell you that your theory is coming out from your heads, while my awareness is coming from my very intimate experience with a Spirit world. Yes, the Soul is mortal but the Spirit is not. Those who have achieved enlightment have their Soul and their Spirit unite as one and no longer have mortal Soul. So when they reincornate it is by choice, because they are here to lead others to the unification of the Soul and the Spirit as One. The goal of the Enlightment is not about becoming One with others but one with your own Spirit, since our Spirits already exist as one with each other in a Universal unison.

I can certainly see where those experiences you mention would lead you to the conclusion you put forth.

But I disagree.

From my experience, I have found that being able to deal with spirits does not mean that everything they put forward is the last word in truth. I have seen spirits misrepresent the entity they are telling you that they are.......for instance an angel actually being a demon and a demon actually being an angel........same as being an individual the spirit saying they are......and not being that person that is deceased....

There was another subject posted here that I almost got into the conversation but decided not to as it goes too deep for many here in that most of the astral beings or beings in dreams are non existance anyway......and if you know how to deal with it, you can suddenly see they disappear and are not real anyway........in reverse, one has to know how to deal with them to assure what you are dealing with is real.
Very, Very few are capable of finding out the real spirit.

This process was part of the initiation the Egyptian rulers had to successfully overcome to proceed to pass into the next situation. The entire process was not one where they were born with it........they had to work for it, or someone else took it over.

Maxxx

I believe Maxx stated an important point in here. The fact is that most mediums have open channels to an ethereal realm populated by many sort of beings. Those are usually lower beings and not higher entities. That means they lie and deceive. Sometimes those are just ways to draw attention of the living, other times they do it to accomplish their own agendas and plans. Being in the spirit realm gives them access to much information that for the living would seem "magickal" and almost impossible for them to know, like our own secrets... but of course, most of the times they can read our minds, if we don't know techniques of advanced shielding. This leads many people to encounters with the "dead", when many times are just other beings pretending to be them and deceiving the so-called mediums. Things are not as clear and straightforward as people think, and the reality is far more complex than what they imagine.
Same thing applies to countless people that claim to contact higher beings, angels and higher entities all the time, when I must say that is a very rare thing to happen. Most people can only access the lower realms and that is very far from where higher entities roam, but they get deceived by the lies, stories and things that lower beings tell them. They get manipulated, and start believing in the lies created by lower spirits and even demons.

Also, I never said that humans cannot reincarnate. Of course they can. But that does not mean they are immortal. It does not mean they can reincarnate forever. That means they have several chances to evolve and develop themselves, spiritually and metaphysically, by the course of several lives. But reality is that in each lifetime their souls are aging, degrading and dying. Spiritual evolution may help to keep those souls young, and it is only part of the secret workings to achieve immortality (or at the very least, a longer spiritual lifetime across the ages). This is explained and addressed in the Asetian Bible, although to many people that deal with the other realms of the spirits, this is nothing new, and can be validated and explored by metaphysical practice and interaction with the spirit world. Spirits are not something permanent and immortal, they age and die... and it goes even further, despite their aging, they can even be destroyed and killed, but I would leave that for some other discussion.