Deadly Poison

I am sure that by now many of you are familiar with the concept of the Deadly Poison. Which is an act of extreme loyalty, a way of life, a decision made, by the individual Asetian (mostly Guardians) to kill themselves once their lover, or Master has died. It is also a belief, believed by the individual, that without her lover alive, there is no life for her as well. Although this is highly uncommon in this period of time, it was not so rare in the old days.

I would like to hear your opinion on this. How you feel about this. If you were to find your one True Love, would you believe that your life has no meaning without him/her, to a point that life would be meaningless to you, and death would be your only path?

Aghrab

Em Hotep.

For a Guardian, the most important objective in life, maybe the only, is finding the True Love.

My main answer to that question, would be "Yes, I would believe that my life had no meaning, and I would rather objectively end my life, so I could entwine with my lover's soul again in the Duat, or in a new incarnation, as soon as we would be able to do so."

But life isn't that simple, and if you made a pact to endure for as long as you are needed in this plane, you shall not think only about your lover and soulmate. This is a question which consumes me, with which I debate myself a lot of times, and it's a problem without solution. You can't abandon your lover, but you can't also abandon your duty/pact. In my perspective, that's why some beings decide not to have a love relationship, being ultimately alone. That way, you can be emotionally stable, and still do your duty.

As I said... Guardians' main objective is to find their True Love, being with that True Love, dedicating their Blood to their True Love. Being their only duty dedicating themselves to that one love, existing in this plane loses reason. Deadly Poison.

Best regards.

hmm....To die for love....It kind of rings a bell, like something I have seen in a dream or another life.
To find THE ONE, true love.... itis the greatst thing in life. To find it and then to lose it... it would break me. My heart would die in the very spot. But in life there are things sometimes bigger than us, reasons that can not let us die with that person.
If nothing else tied me to this earth at that moment... I would send my soul after my love´s in the hope of being together once more.

Em Hotep Karnath.

I can agree with you, that the most important objective, and goal in life, to a Guardian, is not only finding True Love, but living and breathing only for it.

It is also true, to my understanding, that although you cannot abandon your True Love's Soul after death, you also cannot forget your duties on this plane. Yet keep in mind, that the act of the Deadly Poison is most common among the deeply loyal lineage of the Guardians, and the duty or goal of a Guardian, IS to live for the one she loves.

Aghrab

Well, I have put myself in the other side - if I was the dying half of the two (given it was not a sudden death). It would make me feel egotistical to know that my loved one would kill himself in order to follow me beyond. I would want them to live out their life because, as I see it, each life we live is an opportunity to advance and to evolve. Whatever we learn and take along with us, whatever we accomplish, will echo in the following lives. I would hate to know that I was keeping someone else from using up that opportunity and from their own advancement.

And also, if we were linked, we'd meet again sooner or later.

On the other hand ¡Ah, the heroicism of it!

Syrianeh wrote:Well, I have put myself in the other side - if I was the dying half of the two (given it was not a sudden death). It would make me feel egotistical to know that my loved one would kill himself in order to follow me beyond. I would want them to live out their life because, as I see it, each life we live is an opportunity to advance and to evolve. Whatever we learn and take along with us, whatever we accomplish, will echo in the following lives. I would hate to know that I was keeping someone else from using up that opportunity and from their own advancement.

And also, if we were linked, we'd meet again sooner or later.

On the other hand ¡Ah, the heroicism of it!

I can understand what you mean, and it does make a lot of sense. What would your thoughts be, putting yourself on the other side, being the one who is the one losing his/her Love, or Master?

Aghrab

I have thought about this, too. I suppose such a pact would come after much communication and mutual understanding. In this case, if I felt that my life had no sense and I strongly believed the other was my soulmate, AND I believed it would mean travelling together beyond this life, I would have no qualms as to take my own.

Aghrab wrote:

Syrianeh wrote:Well, I have put myself in the other side - if I was the dying half of the two (given it was not a sudden death). It would make me feel egotistical to know that my loved one would kill himself in order to follow me beyond. I would want them to live out their life because, as I see it, each life we live is an opportunity to advance and to evolve. Whatever we learn and take along with us, whatever we accomplish, will echo in the following lives. I would hate to know that I was keeping someone else from using up that opportunity and from their own advancement.

And also, if we were linked, we'd meet again sooner or later.

On the other hand ¡Ah, the heroicism of it!

I can understand what you mean, and it does make a lot of sense. What would your thoughts be, putting yourself on the other side, being the one who is the one losing his/her Love, or Master?

Aghrab

I really can't agree much with Syrianeh and Aghrab on this. The subject at hand is the Deadly Poison, that although being applied to any Asetian it is mostly a hallmark, in usage, of the Guardian lineage. That being said, and according to what we know in terms of Asetian Psychology when it comes to the Guardians' psyche, is that they ultimately live for their loved One alone, and nothing else. That being said, Life is only Life when it is lived with and for their love/master/creator/X. That being said, a Guardian living past their beloved's death would not only destroy her on the inside, but would keep her from living until she can reunite with him again in the Duat (afterlife). So asking from a Guardian to stay alive after that situation it is not really cherishing her love and most of all being careless about her suffering, that her and her alone can comprehend. I believe the situation of spiritual evolution does not come in place in here, since the Guardian's soul would not be even "here" and "alive" to strive for that evolution of the Self, but would be lost in the grief and energy of her love that was now out of her reach and on which she depends upon. The true egoism would be to ask for a Guardian not to take her life, if that is honestly her True Will.

Maktub

Maktub wrote:I really can't agree much with Syrianeh and Aghrab on this. The subject at hand is the Deadly Poison, that although being applied to any Asetian it is mostly a hallmark, in usage, of the Guardian lineage. That being said, and according to what we know in terms of Asetian Psychology when it comes to the Guardians' psyche, is that they ultimately live for their loved One alone, and nothing else. That being said, Life is only Life when it is lived with and for their love/master/creator/X. That being said, a Guardian living past their beloved's death would not only destroy her on the inside, but would keep her from living until she can reunite with him again in the Duat (afterlife). So asking from a Guardian to stay alive after that situation it is not really cherishing her love and most of all being careless about her suffering, that her and her alone can comprehend. I believe the situation of spiritual evolution does not come in place in here, since the Guardian's soul would not be even "here" and "alive" to strive for that evolution of the Self, but would be lost in the grief and energy of her love that was now out of her reach and on which she depends upon. The true egoism would be to ask for a Guardian not to take her life, if that is honestly her True Will.

Maktub

Very well said, Maktub. I guess I was mistaken on the points you made. Great post.

Aghrab

Very well put, Maktub.

However, I was expressing my own point of view, from how I think I would feel given this situation. I understand your view and can only hope to come together in this life with someone who will inspire me the desire to follow them beyond it, or to be followed by them.

I completely agree with Maktub ,
Deadly Poison is not suicide , but a death from inside
My question would be , what do you think (empathically) that could still keep a Guardian alive after This loss ?

Hellen wrote:Deadly Poison is not suicide , but a death from inside

A wise person once told me "Deadly poison IS suicide, to keep the insides alive forever." and I highly agreed with him. However it is a suicide to live, to the Guardians. This is their escape from truly "dying" in life and in their hearts, with the loss of what fed their lives.

Hellen wrote:My question would be , what do you think (empathically) that could still keep a Guardian alive after This loss ?

Nothing. Think of it, if a Guardian did have a True Love, then that Love would be above All, and if he dies, then there is nothing left. Also keep in mind that we are speaking of a Guardian WITH a Love, a True Love, and not any Guardian. Also this is easier to imagine in a Elder Guardian, who are far more elite and highly evolved, at least this is how it seems to me.

Aghrab

Hello Aghrab ,

what i was actually saying was that i don't see Deadly Poison to be something phisically done with the aid of a weapon , or real poison or other ,as in the ritual act of suicide as harakiri or sepukku in japanese tradition for example , but like a natural death , one death that comes from inside in the case of Guardians .Also the tradition for the wife to be buried together with husband i think has its origins from here ,seen as a duty , but in case of Loyal Guardians it is their Will and comes natural , is not from obligation , or from a pact of marriage.
but i think there is one thing that could keep them alive , and that would be the Love for Aset her children ,a Guardian would never leave them while in danger or at war

Thank you

Hellen

And indeed Mors janua Vitae , when i said death from inside , i meant phisical death , i did not say death of the soul

Hellen wrote:but i think there is one thing that could keep them alive , and that would be the Love for Aset her children ,a Guardian would never leave them while in danger or at war

I actually believe if the Guardian, although a being of Loyalty, Commitment and Power, would not go on in a "war" if her Love passes away. She would be too dead to go on in a battle. This does not mean she is weak, but simply that the Guardian would lose everything once her Love has died, that not even the Love she has for the Eternal Family can keep her to stay.

But the again, Guardians were highly known for being in the Imperial Guard, fighting blindly, fearlessly, to death against their enemies...

Aghrab